lemmie just make this abundantly queer

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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna
bbowlingball
quackerjack

despite his villainous tendencies…. him cute

quackerjack

@spazzycartoonjester him

micaxiii

the art was too good for this issue, the story did not deserve this good art

bbowlingreblogs

incorrect i loved this story she krilled hershellf to give me writing oppurrtunities

micaxiii

1) she? it was Quackerjack who offed himself by way of dollification, his gamer gf just left

2) the Fefetasprite typing quirk rly threw me off and makes harder to tell if the she/her pronouns are a typo or something else.

3) I can’t tell how genuine you are with that statement, but wow that’s uhhh kinda dark

bbowlingball

i have headcannons 3833

also i am bein genuine that story actually gave me writing oppurrtunities to write the furrious 4s emotions and reactions to when they figured out she died im a writer who struggles with emotion sometimes

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headcanon ideas were from m brother and i use em thumbs up hope this clears things up

micaxiii

Aaaalright, follow your bliss I suppose~

genuinely glad you're enjoying fandom the way it's intended but even as an autistic queer person this is just an alien level of headcanoning to me so I mistook it for satire at first I get having headcanons but I could never be so dedicated to them that I'd let it confuse convos with outsiders headcanon pronouns tend to stay in fanfics and character analysis posts for me
bbowlingreblogs
quackerjack

despite his villainous tendencies…. him cute

quackerjack

@spazzycartoonjester him

micaxiii

the art was too good for this issue, the story did not deserve this good art

bbowlingreblogs

incorrect i loved this story she krilled hershellf to give me writing oppurrtunities

micaxiii

1) she? it was Quackerjack who offed himself by way of dollification, his gamer gf just left

2) the Fefetasprite typing quirk rly threw me off and makes harder to tell if the she/her pronouns are a typo or something else.

3) I can’t tell how genuine you are with that statement, but wow that’s uhhh kinda dark

how did this sassy lost homestuck fan time travel a decade into the future from the 2010s?
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leebrontide

My autistic peeps, I have one bit of advice for you.

Be extremely selective about who you accept social rule feedback from.

Most autistic folks I know tie themselves up in knots, trying to figure out this social rule book that everybody else seems to have gotten, that they didn't get. In fact a lot of the "rigidity" that I see other therapists complaining about can be put down to the natural effects of people trying really hard to find one goddamn rule that will stay put.

The thing is- most people walk around as if they have the one universal, unassailable, common-sense rule book for social interaction.

And they are utterly full of shit.

In the US in particular there is incredibly low consensus about how people should behave. Just go post on twitter about whether it is or is not rude to wear your shoes in someone's house, or as a 70 year old and a 20 year old about phone etiquette. That's before we get into other demographic differences. Don't even get me started on "professionalism".

Neurotypical people get that feedback to, but are, on average, way more able to flag it as either 1) a rule for working with that person/similar people 2) bullshit. NOT as a universal rule they should have already known, that they should feel bad about not already knowing.

The number of things that people actually universally agree on is really low.

So when people give you feedback that the social rule they expect you to follow is obvious, they are often being a total dick.

Ask questions, look for patterns in specific settings, and make sure you've worked on your values enough to have a reasonable ecosystem of guiding principles.

But remember that nobody has that rule book.

morlock-holmes

I don't exactly disagree with this, but as an Autistic person, I, and many others, spent our childhoods running a kind of natural experiment about whether there are social rules and etiquette.

When allistic people think about social rules like this they seem to be thinking of, I don't know, wearing shoes in the house.

What about, say, if a coworker has a new haircut that you don't like, should you say,

"I don't like your haircut, it doesn't suit you. The old one was prettier "

Autistic people might reason about that like this:

"Well, honesty is important, and I'm just saying something true about something that isn't very important in the grand scheme of things."

Look, I get it, nothing is universal, 1 person in 99 will appreciate that honesty.

But you are going to have a lot of trouble if you start with, "Well, there are no universal rules so I'll just tell people when I don't like how they look it'll probably be fine at least half the time."

Something that I'm starting to think has been really underappreciated is that in primary school these kinds of experiments are dangerous. Treat the world like there's no rules and people laugh at you, or get angry, or scream, or throw things at you or hit you.

This is your formative impression of what happens if you act like there are no rules: you will be subjected to violence suddenly, without warning, and you won't get much help or sympathy.

As you become an adult that becomes less true, but that memory is still there with you, psychologically.

morlock-holmes

What I would communicate to my allistic peeps is, there is a difference between eating your salad with the dinner fork and scooping a big handful of mashed potatoes off of your neighbor's plate.

As a thought experiment, imagine what it would be like if you read that sentence and said,

"I have no idea which one of those is worse"

Imagine you could tell from the context I wrote it in that one of those things is different from the other but you can't quite get your head around which is the worse one no matter how hard you think about it.

How might you behave around other people? What kinds of fears or questions might you have on your way to dine with other people?

One interesting bit of role-reversal I've noticed, at least with under 40s people in the US, is that allistic people are very rigid about their definitions of terms like, "Social rules". They are very anxious to explain that something isn't a rule and shouldn't be rigidly obeyed, because the thing you're talking about is only actually true 99.9% of the time and it would only be a "rule" if it was true 100% of the time.

Here's an example that, as far as I can tell is actually a relatively common thought process for autistic people (Unlike the mashed potato example)

"Well, everybody around me tells me that looks aren't important, but it's what's inside that counts. A job interview is about seeing if I have the skills for the job, and my appearance won't help me be a better file clerk.

"Therefore, there's no reason to comb my hair before the interview or select an unstained shirt to wear."

Allistic people tend to assume that high functioning (or whatever the current term is) autistic people have never had those kinds of thought processes.

My personal experience, and I suspect that of many other autistic people, is that we spent something like the first two decades of our lives metaphorically scooping the potatoes off of our neighbor's plates and to the extent that we don't come off as potato-hands, we have only a very dim and confused understanding of why that is.

Here's another question to think on:

Suppose you now understand that in my example above, scooping potatoes off your neighbor's plate is the more egregious example, but you still didn't understand what the problem was. For example, is the fact that I mentioned potatoes significant? Is my example only rude when it comes to mashed potatoes, or other kinds of food also? Is the problem that I used bare hands, instead of utensils? Or is the problem something else?

What if you genuinely don't mind it when people take food from your plate?

Would it occur to you that other people might mind it?

What kinds of behaviors might you engage in and what kind of help might you look for if that was how you thought?

morlock-holmes

I wanted to emphasize that I really don't disagree with the OP; it's a tremendously important point.

I just feel that the allistic people who say it almost universally underestimate the scope of the problem.

Suppose I was learning English as a second language, and I say to you, "Hey, how do I make plural nouns?"

You might say something like,

"Well, there's no single one way to make a plural noun. English is kind of irregular about this and it's going to depend on the specific noun you mean. In fact, even native speakers will often use the incorrect plural when confronted with an unknown noun."

Everything you just said is 100% true.

And I have no idea how to make a plural noun.

And what happens when I listen to enough English and realize that in the vast majority of cases adding an "s" onto the end of the noun is correct, and in the minority of cases where it isn't correct people will understand what I mean and be able to correct me?

I have experience in this:

I'm going to be pissed off at you for your utter inability to speak clearly about something that you actually know about.

Here's a story:

Once upon a time, back in, oh, 90 or 91, I would have been in first or second grade, and I was standing in line at school singing a song from a My Little Pony cartoon that I liked. Another boy asked what it was about and I told him and he and another boy made fun of me for liking My Little Pony.

Now, we live in more enlightened times; when I talk about that with people today, they say that's very sad and those boys shouldn't have done that.

I have never, ever, not once in my life found an allistic person who was surprised by that story.

Because, at least in my memory, and in the memory of dozens of other similar incidents, I was surprised! After all, we talked about Ninja Turtles, why shouldn't I talk about another cartoon that I like?

And hey, you allistic people didn't get the rulebook either, there's no consensus in America, so I bet, like, at least half of you will be as shocked as I was back then? You'll be just as surprised as I was that boys weren't supposed to like girl things, right? And how come that second boy joined in? Isn't it crazy that I found two little boys in 1990 who thought it was funny for a boy to like My Little Pony even though they didn't have any kind of rule book either?

Funny how that kind of thing doesn't actually play out that way.

Funny how I keep running into situations where everybody tells me that there's no consensus and no rulebook but somehow 90% of the people I meet act the same in that same situation.

It's funny how often I meet people who tell me that I don't even need to be looking for a rule or pattern because there aren't any and then, 10 minutes later, tell me what an outlier I am, and that maybe I should consider trying to fit in a little more.

By funny, I of course mean god damned infuriating. Sometimes I want to hit people about it.

America has, genuinely and truly, way less consensus on what "appropriate" behavior is than it did 60 years ago. The scope of appropriate behavior has also expanded. When my dad was a kid random people would give him shit if his hair was shaggy enough to grow past the ears. Today I work in a formal restaurant and wear two foot-long braids and nobody bats an eye. Honestly even in my childhood society was so sexist that I am surprised that I've gotten nothing but compliments.

But what has also happened, and there is profound denial about this, is that when people do have concrete expectations of others, they are much worse at articulating those expectations than they used to be. There is more expectation that you conform yourself to the expectations of others by intuiting those expectations, rather than having them explained to you, even in cases where they can be easily explained. There is a profound discomfort, on the part of allistics, (Particularly younger and more left-wing allistics) with articulating what they expect from the people around them.

I cannot emphasize this enough: This is the case even when the allistic person in question has incredibly concrete expectations.

not to mention some things have gone from being appropriate to being innapropriate over the years that's how you get elderly strangers suddenly talking to you out of nowhere hard to swallow pills: allistics are uncomfortable with explaining social rules bc it means confronting and questioning that rule we need to accept that we all have ugly thoughts at times and not judge others too heavily for having them as long as they try their best to be kind despite all that it's a vital step to truly growing as ppl and knowing ourselves better not that it's easy it can even be exhausting so like... don't worry too much about it just don't run away from it when confronted with it by ppl in good faith
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wiisagi-maiingan

Hey, please don't take this the wrong way, but. . .

Obsessing with making sure that everyone you interact with online is "good" and shares in all your beliefs and ideals, that you only have "good" hobbies and interests, that you condemn anything and everything even slightly dubious both internally and externally, that you stay away from all "bad" things in case they taint you, and similar behaviors are actually seriously unhealthy and may be a sign that you're developing or living with moral scrupulosity OCD or a similar condition.

I'm saying this as someone with OCD. It's not healthy to see everyone around you as corrupt filth and a threat to your own morals. That's an extremely dangerous mindset to have and to encourage in other people and if you're falling into those kinds of cycles, please get help from someone.

wiisagi-maiingan

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Actually no, as the trans op, I am going to say that you can't actually go on my post and say this shit. Moral purity and OCD are entirely different from warning people that a person is a violent bigot and that their bigotry puts the things they say, about gender especially, in a completely different light. Hope this helps!

thisssss lets not put actual irl bigots n creeps in the same roster as 'person with a piss kink' or 'person who ships the badwrong ship that I hate'
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mollyjames

One problem I've been slowly contending with as an artist who is attempting to make her living online has been this idea of Friction. In this case, Friction just means anything that gets in the way of a person reading my work or giving me money.

Strangely, these two things are about equally difficult. There are plenty of people who would very much like to give me money, just as there are plenty of people who haven't gotten around to reading my comics but would like to. And the only reason they haven't is because of Friction.

So let's quickly talk about points of friction. Let's say I upload a full comic book for free to itch.io, for anyone to download to any device, and then they can download it at their convenience. Sounds easy, right? Well, no. First, the way they heard about that book was most likely through my tumblr account, which means they first have to click on a link to leave tumblr and go to a different site. That's already a major point of Friction. If someone is browsing through tumblr on the bus on their way to work, or as a means to unwind from a stressful day, they are very unlikely to want to leave tumblr and commit an unknown amount of time to a separate activity. Then that person has to decide they are willing to download the files as presented on itch. If they have an account they have to login. (Although in many cases they will already be logged in.) Finally they will have the pdf, but then they have to open the pdf at which point they will see the document is 186 pages long at which point they might well decide actually this is too much trouble right now and do something else.

And this comes around to why tumblr is actually a pretty good platform for comic artists. If I upload a couple of pages in chunks at a time, people will read them as they scroll by. That's a point of Friction already mitigated. If they liked it, or their curiosity is piqued, there might be enough interest for them to click the link that takes them directly to the beginning of the comic (also on tumblr), and they can then read it from there. Or else they might make a mental note of it for later, and the next time they see a comic chunk might be the time they have a moment to see what my comic is about. All in all pretty painless.

Unfortunately, with money that's less the case. If you think about the first example, it's not hard to see why. First I have to get someone to click on my patreon link. Then they have to make an account. Then they have to add their payment information. All of these are points of Friction that exist. What's worse is the existence of Anticipated Friction, which essentially frontloads all of that work onto the first point. This makes it very very difficult to get someone to click on any external links in the first place.

This isn't like... a call to action or to shame tumblr users for not reblogging posts by the way. That's not something I can control. It's just an interesting problem to try and solve.

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weaver-z

If I got ahold of Joe Biden's phone I would put he/they in his Twitter bio then turn it off

weaver-z

Stop replying to this with "I would link Homestuck discourse! I would make a carrd! I would post Onceler stuff!" like guys. Guys. I appreciate the enthusiasm, but this won't work. Everyone will know it was a hack. But adding a they pronoun to the bio? Oh, baby, that's a toss-up. We would bear witness to three gorgeous hours of the biggest Twitter storm you have ever seen. It would be better than superhell night.

you gotta play it subtle you gotta have finesse